A Perspective on CBD Charlton Owensby, MD, JD, MBA, FCLM, MRO Certified Medical Review Officer 1
Introduction Practicing physician and attorney B.S., M.D., J.D., MBA all from Wake Forest Certified and active MRO since 1991 Responsible for 120,000+ drug evaluations/year All across the U.S., abroad and the Seven Seas Serve as MRO for several large TPAs and companies 2
Disclosure Not your attorney or doctor (probably your MRO) No conflicts, no quid pro quo for any opinions These are my opinions from experience and research 3
I Was Asked to Address These: What is CBD? What does it do? Where does it come from? Why is it such a big deal suddenly? Is it legal? What happens when I take it? Why would I get a positive drug screen if I take it? Are you kidding? How can I get a positive drug screen if this is legal and doesn’t have THC in it??? Consequences (employment) of using CBD 4
Take Away The only reason we are talking about CBD is because of its association with marijuana CBD is pretty innocuous, doesn’t harm, but doesn’t do much either CBD is not THC and will not reasonably cause a positive test for THC/marijuana Remember your drug testing policy 5
Some Marijuana Background Marijuana vs. Hemp California. Don’t all these things start there? California Prop 215, 420. Farm Bill of 2018 Is Marijuana a medicine? 1 in 12 of you used it in the last month 6
More About Hemp What’s up with Hemp? The 0.3% delineation Can hemp products be sold? Can they be purchased? Can hemp products be marketed as a medicine? There are no industry standards for purity or content 7
Now on to CBD The hemp product du jour: CBD Cannibidiol, one of many cannabinoids 2-[(1R,6R)-3-Methyl-6-prop-1-en-2-ylcyclohex-2-en-1-yl]- 5-pentylbenzene-1,3-diol. This is why we call it CBD Characteristics – physical, sources, how sold, how used CBD is not THC. These are different compounds Why the attention to CBD? Association with marijuana Marijuana normalization, the Internet and social media 8
What Does CBD Do? Not much. One FDA approved medical use As an adjunct to conventional medications for rare childhood seizure disorders Despite 6000+ published studies, seems to have limited usefulness thus far as a medication On the other hand, does not seem to harm either. 9
What Doesn’t CBD Do? Note the title can be interpreted two ways Internet sources say it seems to help/cure everything Scientific research shows it doesn’t do much of anything Though of course this can change with more research 10
CBD Oil Review Typical CBD doses (as recommended by COR): Appetite stimulation in Cancer patients: 1 mg CBD daily x 6 weeks Chronic pain: 2.5 to 20 mg daily Epilepsy: 200-300 mg daily (compare to Epidiolex dosage) Huntington’s chorea: 10mg/kg daily x 6 weeks Sleep disorders: 40-160mg daily (should that be nightly?) Schizophrenia: 40-1280mg daily. I’d suggest a whole lot more…. Glaucoma: 20-40 mg SL once only A couple of these should frighten you. 11
So What’s the Problem? Employment drug testing More specifically, the THC positive drug test Can CBD reasonably explain a positive THC result? Not for Federal testing programs. Period. My experience (not as a user, as an MRO) 12
Three Potential ‘Explanations’ CBD itself caused a (false) positive THC result The 0.3% THC in CBD caused the positive THC result CBD conversion to THC caused the positive THC result 13
CBD is not THC CBD is 2-[(1R,6R)-3-methyl-6-prop-1-en-2- ylcyclohex-2-en-1-yl]-5-pentylbenzene-1,3-diol THC is 6,6,9-trimethyl-3-pentyl-6a,7,8,10a- tetrahydrobenzo[c]chromen-1-ol Now that that’s cleared up… Bottom line: Current testing methodology is not fooled 14
What About That 0.3% THC? First of all, if legal, it is likely less than 0.3% THC But note lack of standards or purity for CBD products Cost to obtain a positive drug screen by consuming CBD Using common CBD products as compared to one joint Compared to likely minimum to cause positive result Side effects along the way 15
Can I Make My Own THC? A research ‘food fight’ at the Journal of Cannabis Research CBD in an acid environment can oxidize to THC The stomach is an acid environment, ergo My THC positive drug test is because I consumed CBD. QED. Nope. 16
The Journal Fight 2016 Article states CBD oxidized to THC, in-vitro in SGF Rebuttal claims otherwise: Simulated Gastric Fluid not same as in-vivo actual gastric fluid Effect has not been observed in-vivo Drug testing after large doses of CBD not positive for THC Research continues, but no evidence for significant in- vivo 17
Besides all that… No possible gastric conversion if not in stomach Implications for topical or inhaled CBD Almost all oral CBD products are intended trans- mucosal Normal dosing of 1-2 ml quickly absorbed in mouth Little gets to stomach Swallowing 1-2 ounces of CBD is not really reasonable 18
The Internet – a Cautionary Word This is where all employees obtain their information. A true informational swamp. Advocacy colors research, evaluation and conclusions – especially with emotionally charged topics – use with caution. Anecdotes (even a lot of them) ≠ data Lings Cars, a metaphor for all that is wrong 19
The Takeaway Despite all the claims, CBD is not a wonder drug, but it is likely not particularly harmful either CBD is not THC/marijuana and cannot cause a positive drug test result for THC CBD products currently being sold are likely to contain varying amounts of CBD from none to 30%. No industry quality control or standardization. May also contain more THC than is allowed to be marketed. Your policy may need to address CBD as unacceptable to explain a positive THC result. 20
Contact Information Charlton Owensby, MD, MRO (800) 381-4718 (voice and fax) mro@mrosvcs.com Or you may contact me through your TPA 21
Slide 6 – Some Marijuana Background California Proposition 215 (1997) California Proposition 420 (2003) Origins of 420 Association with Marijuana (from LAWeekly 2013) Hemp and Cannabidiol: What is a Medicine? (Missouri Medical Society – good overview, despite math error) Marijuana Use Incidence SAMHSA Annual Survey 2017 Marijuana Use Incidence Quest Diagnostics Annual Index (employment testing results) 22
Slide 7 – More about Hemp Differentiating marijuana and hemp (From NCSU) Differentiating marijuana from hemp (from the Ministry of Hemp) Defining Hemp: A Fact Sheet (Congressional Research Service) 23
Slide 8 – Now on to CBD CBD Compound Summary (PubChem, US National Library of Medicine) THC Compound Summary (PubChem, US National Library of Medicine) Can CBD be Sold? (FDA Regulation of Cannabis Derived Products 2019, good resource) The Truth about CBD, What’s Real and What’s Hype (From the Fresh Toast ‘the most trusted name in cannabis’ website) Typical Products YumYum Gummies, CBD Oil Drops (Diamond CBD products) Oils, Pills (Pure KANA products) CBD Gel Capsules (MEDTerra products) 24
Slide 9 – What does CBD do? Epidiolex (FDA aproved use in Dravet’s/Lennox-Gastaut) Review of Clinical Trials for Epidolex (Pharmacy presentation UT Austin) PubMed Studies (NCBI PubMed 6400 articles/studies as of May 2019) 25
Slide 10 – What Doesn’t CBD do? CBD – What we know and what we don’t (Harvard Health Blog, Peter Grinspoon, MD 8/24/2018) 26
Slide 12 – So what’s the problem? DOT and THC/Marijuana/CBD (DOT Medical Marijuana Notice, updated 4/29/2019) 27
Slide 13 – Three potential Explanations Can CBD Oil cause a Positive Drug Test? (Forbes “Marijuana Madness: This is How CBD Oil can cause a failed drug test”, 10/18/18) Failed a Drug Test after CBD? Here’s Why (Marijuana Break website, some incorrect information, and poor proofreading, but the gist is there) 28
Slide 17 – The Journal Fight Yes you can (Cannabis Cannabinoid Research) No you can’t (Cannabis Cannabinoid Research) 29
A Typical CBD Product: Premium Jane Assumptions: 1 Marijuana joint will contain 60-120 mg THC THC is 30% absorbed from lung tissue THC delivered dose is 20-40 mg THC Premium Jane product contains 1000mg CBD/oz 40 doses per 1 ounce bottle, 25 mg CBD/dose Does not contain >.2% THC THC is 30% absorbed by oral mucosa 30
Retail Product to legal High? Premium Jane dose to produce same effect as 1 joint THC per Premium Jane dose: (25 mg dose)(30%)(.2% THC) = 0.015 mg THC/dose 20 mg THC/0. 015 mg THC/dose = 1,333 Premium Jane doses 1,333 doses/40 doses per bottle = 33 bottles (ounces) 33 oz/32 oz per quart = ~1 quart Premium Jane Cost: 33 bottles x $139/bottle = $4,628 (shipping extra) 31
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