Non-quantum Effect and Test of Spontaneous Collapse Models in Mechanical Oscillators Lajos Di´ osi Wigner Center, Budapest 22 Febr 2015, Okazaki Acknowledgements go to: Hungarian Scientific Research Fund under Grant No. 103917 EU COST Actions MP1006, MP1209 Lajos Di´ osi (Wigner Center, Budapest) Non-quantum Effect and Test of Spontaneous Collapse Models in Mechanical Oscillators 22 Febr 2015, Okazaki 1 / 11
Mechanical Schr¨ odinger Cats, Catness 1 DP and CSL 2 What is monitored spontaneously about a bulk? 3 Mechanical oscillator under spontaneous collapse (hidden 4 monitoring) Spontaneous collapse yields spontaneous heating 5 Spontaneous heating ∆ T sp in DP and CSL 6 Detecting ∆ T sp : just classical thermometry? 7 Preparation and detection separated 8 Summary and implications for DP/CSL 9 Lajos Di´ osi (Wigner Center, Budapest) Non-quantum Effect and Test of Spontaneous Collapse Models in Mechanical Oscillators 22 Febr 2015, Okazaki 2 / 11
Mechanical Schr¨ odinger Cats, Catness Mechanical Schr¨ odinger Cats, Catness Microscopic mass distribution matters: f ( r ) = � k m k δ ( r − x k ). f 1 ( r ) , f 2 ( r ), catness � f 1 − f 2 � 2 is to be chosen later. | Cat � = | f 1 � + | f 2 � √ 2 ⇒ 1 2 | f 1 �� f 1 | + 1 | Cat �� Cat | = 2 | f 2 �� f 2 | Collapse: immediate if we measure f suddenly gradual if we monitor f ( r , t ) with finite resolution. spontaneous and gradual at rate ∼ � f 1 − f 2 � 2 — in new QM Spontaneous Collapse Models (demystified): f ( r , t ) is being monitored, with resolution encoded in � f 1 − f 2 � Devices are hidden, hence outcome signal is not accessible The only testable effect is the back-action of hidden monitors Lajos Di´ osi (Wigner Center, Budapest) Non-quantum Effect and Test of Spontaneous Collapse Models in Mechanical Oscillators 22 Febr 2015, Okazaki 3 / 11
DP and CSL DP and CSL Finite spatial resolution σ � 0 against divergence: � f ( r ) = m k g σ ( r − x k ) k DP: very fine microscopic resolution σ = 10 − 12 cm CSL: loose, almost macroscopic resolution σ = 10 − 5 cm Resolution of (hidden) monitoring f : DP: weak, proportional to the Newton constant G CSL: strong, proportional to a ‘new’ constant λ ≈ 10 − 9 Hz Fine spatial resolution with small G in DP, poor spatial resolution with large λ in CSL: similar collapse effects for bulk d.o.f., with characteristic differences... Lajos Di´ osi (Wigner Center, Budapest) Non-quantum Effect and Test of Spontaneous Collapse Models in Mechanical Oscillators 22 Febr 2015, Okazaki 4 / 11
What is monitored spontaneously about a bulk? What is monitored spontaneously about a bulk? DP: all bulk coordinates, like c.o.m., solid angle, acoustics position, angle position, angle internal macroscopic modes CSL: location of surfaces and nothing else horizontal position position, angle position, angle 4x stronger Lajos Di´ osi (Wigner Center, Budapest) Non-quantum Effect and Test of Spontaneous Collapse Models in Mechanical Oscillators 22 Febr 2015, Okazaki 5 / 11
Mechanical oscillator under spontaneous collapse (hidden monitoring) Mechanical oscillator under spontaneous collapse (hidden monitoring) 1D oscillation, extended object, mass m , frequency Ω, c.o.m.: ˆ x , ˆ p p 2 H = ˆ 2 m + 1 ˆ 2 m Ω 2 ˆ x 2 (1) Dynamics of c.o.m. state ˆ ρ , under spontaneous (hidden) monitoring: d ˆ dt = − i ρ ρ ] − D sp � [ˆ H , ˆ � 2 [ˆ x , [ˆ x , ˆ ρ ]] . (2) D sp depends on DP/CSL, on geometry/structure of the mass. Back-action, two equivalent interpretations: x-decoherence (quantum) — suggests quantum interference tests p-diffusion (classical) — allows classical non-interferometric tests Lajos Di´ osi (Wigner Center, Budapest) Non-quantum Effect and Test of Spontaneous Collapse Models in Mechanical Oscillators 22 Febr 2015, Okazaki 6 / 11
Spontaneous collapse yields spontaneous heating Spontaneous collapse yields spontaneous heating Full classical Fokker-Planck: ∂ pp ρ + η mk B T ∂ 2 ∂ 2 d ρ dt = { H , ρ } + η ∂ ∂ p 2 ρ + D sp ∂ p 2 ρ, (3) damping rate η , environmental temperature T . With D sp =0, equilibrium at T : ρ eq = N exp( − H / k B T ). With D sp � 0, equilibrium at T + ∆ T sp , D sp = D sp ∆ T sp = τ (4) η mk B mk B τ = 1 /η = Q / Ω: relaxation (ring-down) time of oscillator Validity of classical (non-quantum) treatment: k B ∆ T sp ≫ � Ω . (5) Lajos Di´ osi (Wigner Center, Budapest) Non-quantum Effect and Test of Spontaneous Collapse Models in Mechanical Oscillators 22 Febr 2015, Okazaki 7 / 11
Spontaneous heating ∆ T sp in DP and CSL Spontaneous heating ∆ T sp in DP and CSL � m , ✘✘✘ ✘ τ [ s ] × 10 − 5 K ; DP shape ∆ T sp = D sp ✚ ✚ τ ≈ ̺ [ g / cm 3 ] d [ cm ] τ [ s ] × 10 − 6 K ; CSL m mk B ✚ ✚ ∆ T sp for DP : Q 10 2 10 3 10 4 10 5 10 6 10 5 Hz [10 − 8 K] [10 − 7 K] [10 − 6 K] 10 − 5 K 10 − 4 K 10 4 Hz [10 − 7 K] 10 − 6 K 10 − 5 K 10 − 4 K 10 − 3 K Ω 10 3 Hz 10 − 6 K 10 − 5 K 10 − 4 K 10 − 3 K 10 − 2 K 10 2 Hz 10 − 5 K 10 − 4 K 10 − 3 K 10 − 2 K 10 − 1 K 10 − 4 K 10 − 3 K 10 − 2 K 10 − 1 K 10Hz 1 K 10 − 3 K 10 − 2 K 10 − 1 K 1Hz 1 K 10 K Data in [brackets] are not in the classical domain k B ∆ T sp ≫ � Ω. Data in boldface are above the millikelvin range! Lajos Di´ osi (Wigner Center, Budapest) Non-quantum Effect and Test of Spontaneous Collapse Models in Mechanical Oscillators 22 Febr 2015, Okazaki 8 / 11
Detecting ∆ T sp : just classical thermometry? Detecting ∆ T sp : just classical thermometry? In soft Ω = 1 Hz − 1 kHz oscillators of long ring-down time τ = 1 h − 1 month , DP and CSL predict spontaneous heating ∆ T sp = 1 mK − 10 K . ∆ T sp is non-quantum, large enough to be detected by a classical ‘thermometer’ of resolution δ T � ∆ T sp . Paradoxical: Construction of the oscillator, preparation of the equilibrium state, precise mK-thermometry may need quantum optomechanics. Does ‘Standard Quantum Limit’ constrain δ T ? No, for two reasons: The effect ∆ T sp is classical! SQL constrains stationary sensing. We go the other way ... Lajos Di´ osi (Wigner Center, Budapest) Non-quantum Effect and Test of Spontaneous Collapse Models in Mechanical Oscillators 22 Febr 2015, Okazaki 9 / 11
Preparation and detection separated Preparation and detection separated Effect ∆ T sp ≫ � Ω / k B is classical, experiment might be fully classical. It won’t, because of extreme technical demands. Constructing soft high-Q mechnical oscillator micro mass, e.g.: 5 mg Matsumoto et al. (∆ T sp = 6 . 4 K ) heavy mass, e.g.: 40 kg Advanced LIGO (∆ T sp = 0 . 16 K ?) Preparing equilibrium state over hours—weeks at room temperature T ≈ 300 K at active cooling T � ∆ T sp Switch on detection of spontaneous heating by spectral ‘thermometry’ by state tomography Lajos Di´ osi (Wigner Center, Budapest) Non-quantum Effect and Test of Spontaneous Collapse Models in Mechanical Oscillators 22 Febr 2015, Okazaki 10 / 11
Summary and implications for DP/CSL Summary and implications for DP/CSL spontaneous collapse = hidden monitoring spontaneous decoherence = spontaneous p-diffusion (classical) spontaneous heating ∆ T sp = const . × ring-down time DP/CSL: ∆ T sp = 1 mK − 10 K if ring-down time is 1h-1month preparation and detection (tomography) separated very close feasibility If predicted ∆ T sp won’t yet be seen, DP/CSL won’t yet be rejected! Just current optimistic parametrization would have to be updated: DP parameters: ( σ, G ) where σ may be larger than 10 − 12 cm . CSL parameters: ( σ, λ ) where λ may be smaller than 10 − 9 Hz . Diosi, PRL114, 050403 (2015) Matsumoto,Michimura,Hayase,Aso,Tsubono, arXiv:1312.5031 Advanced LIGO, arxiv:1411.4547 Lajos Di´ osi (Wigner Center, Budapest) Non-quantum Effect and Test of Spontaneous Collapse Models in Mechanical Oscillators 22 Febr 2015, Okazaki 11 / 11
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