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Fluid Mechanics with Helium: A Few Examples Bernard Castaing ENS-Lyon CERN Turbulence 2007 p. 1 Outlook I- Mini-jet: CRTBT (Grenoble) II- GReC Experiment: CRTBT, LEGI (Grenoble), CERN III- Combustion experiment: CRTBT CERN


  1. Fluid Mechanics with Helium: A Few Examples Bernard Castaing ENS-Lyon CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 1

  2. Outlook I- Mini-jet: CRTBT (Grenoble) II- GReC Experiment: CRTBT, LEGI (Grenoble), CERN III- “Combustion” experiment: CRTBT CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 2

  3. Mini-jet Experiment Bernard HEBRAL Antoine NAERT Benoît CHABAUD Olivier CHANAL Joachim PEINKE Bruno BAGUENARD Francesca CHILLA CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 3

  4. Mini-jet Experiment CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 4

  5. Mini-jet Experiment Velocity sensor: a hot wire (see later) Main advantages: A wide range of Reynolds numbers: 80 < R λ < 1100 CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 5

  6. Mini-jet Experiment Velocity sensor: a hot wire (see later) Main advantages: A wide range of Reynolds numbers: 80 < R λ < 1100 With constant “boundary” dimensions: Constant integral scale .... but also “spurious” scales: sensor’s size and resolution, etc CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 5

  7. Mini-jet Experiment Velocity statistics: Time differences: δv = v ( t + τ ) − v ( t ) Taylor Hypothesis: Time τ ⇐ ⇒ distance r = V τ CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 6

  8. Mini-jet Experiment Velocity statistics: Time differences: δv = v ( t + τ ) − v ( t ) Taylor Hypothesis: Time τ ⇐ ⇒ distance r = V τ Moments order p : < δv p > (Structure function) Flatness: <δv 4 > <δv 2 > 2 ... etc CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 6

  9. Mini-jet Experiment Velocity statistics: Time differences: δv = v ( t + τ ) − v ( t ) Taylor Hypothesis: Time τ ⇐ ⇒ distance r = V τ Moments order p : < δv p > (Structure function) Flatness: <δv 4 > <δv 2 > 2 ... etc ⇒ plateaus in d ln <δv p > Power laws ⇐ d ln r CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 6

  10. Mini-jet Experiment CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 7

  11. Mini-jet Experiment Collaboration: A. Arnéodo, J.F . Muzy, J. Delour, L. Chevillard Two important results: Frisch and Vergassola effect: < δv 4 > comes to a viscous behaviour at smaller scales than < δv 2 > CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 8

  12. Mini-jet Experiment Collaboration: A. Arnéodo, J.F . Muzy, J. Delour, L. Chevillard Two important results: Frisch and Vergassola effect: < δv 4 > comes to a viscous behaviour at smaller scales than < δv 2 > Two points correlations: Differences between Taylor and true Euler sampling CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 8

  13. Mini-jet Experiment Euler Taylor v(x+r,t) v(x,t) v(x,t− ) τ v(x,t) r V τ CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 9

  14. GReC Experiment S. Pietropinto Y. Ladam B. Hébral C. Baudet P . Lebrun B. Chabaud Y. Gagne O. Pirotte P . Roche C. Poulain J.P . Dauvergne CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 10

  15. GReC Experiment Mini-jet: up to 4g/s GReC: up to 300 g/s CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 11

  16. GReC Experiment Mini-jet: up to 4g/s GReC: up to 300 g/s GReC: 1200 < R λ < 6000 CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 11

  17. GReC Experiment CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 12

  18. GReC Experiment CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 13

  19. GReC Experiment To make short: Good points: Characteristics of the flow, Laboratory conditions Signal to noise ratio ( > 80 dB) CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 14

  20. GReC Experiment To make short: Good points: Characteristics of the flow, Laboratory conditions Signal to noise ratio ( > 80 dB) Bad point: Fabrication of the sensor CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 14

  21. GReC Experiment CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 15

  22. “Combustion” experiment Yves Ladam Pierre Thibault Etienne Wolf Laurent Puech CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 16

  23. “Combustion” experiment Cryogenic Rocket Engines: Coaxial injection of H 2 and O 2 (Critical, 5MPa, 90K) CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 17

  24. “Combustion” experiment Cryogenic Rocket Engines: Coaxial injection of H 2 and O 2 (Critical, 5MPa, 90K) O 2 → Critical He (220kPa, 5K) CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 17

  25. “Combustion” experiment Cryogenic Rocket Engines: Coaxial injection of H 2 and O 2 (Critical, 5MPa, 90K) O 2 → Critical He (220kPa, 5K) H 2 80K He → Same density ratio, close Re, Ma, ... etc numbers. Mixing probed by the temperature. CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 17

  26. “Combustion” experiment He 5K O 2 H H 2 2 80K 80K CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 18

  27. “Combustion” experiment CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 19

  28. “Combustion” experiment Experiments with classical fuel, and air, found droplets far downstream CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 20

  29. “Combustion” experiment Experiments with classical fuel, and air, found droplets far downstream Helium experiment: no droplets?! CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 20

  30. “Combustion” experiment Experiments with classical fuel, and air, found droplets far downstream Helium experiment: no droplets?! H 2 /O 2 flame (3000K): no droplets either. Crucial parameter: (Flame temperature)/(“Liquid” T c ) : Classical fuel: 1600 H 2 /O 2 : 3000 He: 80 400 = 4 ; 90 = 33 ; 5 = 16 CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 20

  31. To conclude CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 21

  32. To conclude Wide ranges of Re, Ra, ... etc are at least as important as large values. CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 21

  33. To conclude Wide ranges of Re, Ra, ... etc are at least as important as large values. CERN: Large sizes (and corresponding large flows), with laboratory conditions. “Easy” use of Helium. CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 21

  34. To conclude ’Easy’ thanks to: P . LEBRUN, O. PIROTTE, J.-P . DAUVERGNE S. KNOOPS , R. VAN WEELDEREN, A. BEZAGUET, L. TAVIAN, N. DELRUELLE, M. PEZETTI And several other helpful and highly qualified people CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 22

  35. To conclude Wide ranges of Re, Ra, ... etc are at least as important as large values. CERN: Large sizes (and corresponding large flows), with laboratory conditions. “Easy” use of Helium. (As easy as Air or Water) CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 23

  36. To conclude Wide ranges of Re, Ra, ... etc are at least as important as large values. CERN: Large sizes (and corresponding large flows), with laboratory conditions. “Easy” use of Helium. (As easy as Air or Water) Needs for a wide collaboration on sensors: towards robustness and variety (hot-wire, PIV, LDV, Acoustics, ...) CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 23

  37. To conclude Wide ranges of Re, Ra, ... etc are at least as important as large values. CERN: Large sizes (and corresponding large flows), with laboratory conditions. “Easy” use of Helium. (As easy as Air or Water) Needs for a wide collaboration on sensors: towards robustness and variety (hot-wire, PIV, LDV, Acoustics, ...) And a long term reflexion on tractable problems: Mixing, Clusterization, Boundary layer detachment and control, Combustion(?) ... CERN Turbulence 2007 – p. 23

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