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DL7APV 128yagi on 432, why? Pro&contra DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference Pro yagi Pro dish Low windload Many bands possible No permission needed Easy polarity rotation Can grow slowly Low losses on feedlines Low


  1. DL7APV 128yagi on 432, why?

  2. Pro&contra DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference Pro yagi Pro dish • Low windload • Many bands possible • No permission needed • Easy polarity rotation • Can grow slowly • Low losses on feedlines • Low loss feed lines possible • Nobody tried such an array

  3. 2008 a „happy accident “ DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • All started with a huge rotating assembly with ball bearing from ebay! • In his former life it was part of a T174 GDR backhoe • The new 16y was just ready The rotating assembly with 1.6m diameter & about 500kg weight with lots of rust

  4. 2009 Foundation DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • After the location was fixed a BIG hole was needed • filled with 10t of concrete • Tnx to my neighbors with the heavy machinery, so it took only a few hours

  5. 2010 Puzzle DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • When the concrete cured, the gear was disassembled and refurbished. • A real puzzle for men

  6. 2010 the horizontal boom DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • The hor. Boom was delivered in 3 parts of 6m. • 75x70cm with 60mm welded steel tubes • From a local flat conveyor manufacturer

  7. 2011 Basic setup DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • The rotating assembly was placed in position by a crane (agn tnx to my neighbor) and adjusted to only 0.2 ° out of balance • After sandblasting and new grease even Astrid could turn it!

  8. 2011 Basic construction DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • To be open to different solutions the height of the hor. Boom was planned with 5m. • The gears are from a fertilizer spreader

  9. 2011 Basic construction DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • One hor. Boom is mounted • Some steel tubes are only for transport • Elevation chain is also mounted

  10. 2011 Basic construction DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • The crane again did a good job.

  11. 2011 Basic construction DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • A lot of steel tubes had to be welded

  12. 2012 horizontal rotor DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • Background original gear, in front worm gear + motor • Encoder in shielded metal and waterproofed box

  13. 2012 The vertical rotor DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • The main gear wheel was made from stainless steel in an apprentice workshop for 1kg of coffee. The 2nd gear wheel is held in a block which takes all the axial forces to relieve the next worm gear. The motor is from a cable winch for a jeep, 12V.

  14. Basic construction DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • Very important detail. • Enough teeth must transmit the force.

  15. 2012 horizontal boom DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • The crane was in action again

  16. Questions ? DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference

  17. Till 2015 only FM Antennas DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • 8 FM antennas were first user. • The old 16y system was hit again by a storm.

  18. 2015 Which antenna should be used DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • The dimensions of the main frame were not variable • Max. 10m height • Width 18m • Many simulations with different boom length and number of yagis showed that pre mast mounting with 128 yagi was the optimum. • Longer yagi showed degration of pattern by support structure • Even longer yagis with same stacking had lower G/T

  19. 2015 Which antenna should be used DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • Next step to choose the design • Many different good designs are available • DJ9BV, DK7ZB, G0KSC, YU7EF, DG7YBN and more • The decision was easy, as I found only one design which could combine all advantages • Low temperature / low internal losses • 200 Ohm at feedpoint • Excellent pattern • Uncritical at rain • Good boom length to mimimize waste material • Easy to built

  20. 2015 Which antenna should be used DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • The DG7YBN 11el. Wide was the winner • SWR dry • SWR wet ybn • All other were >>2

  21. 2016 Test setup DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • 4x11el. Wide test setup to verify gain & pattern • Test of the open feed lines • Hint : use for test a wide band transformer

  22. 2016 Which antenna should be used DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • Alu feed lines at stacking of 1,09 x 1,2m were tested • It is not easy to bent 6x1mm Alu • So copper feed lines were used for the first 4bay • 4mm enameled copper wire was much easier to bring into correct form • Losses are nearly same as 6mm alu • Not easy to fix the joints. • Soldering joints need mechanical support • Need an „ adapter “ Cu – Al wheather proofed • Need more PTFE spacers • Has to be stretch when comes from spool

  23. 2016 copper wire stretcher DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • Cu has to be stretched when comes from spool ! • Two towers and two man can do!

  24. 2016 tubes DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • Looks more like a 20m beam • 24 tubes 6m extended to 8m

  25. 2017 Antenna production DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • Marking & drilling 1792 holes into the booms

  26. 2017 Antenna production DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • 1280 elements were cutted and filed into length

  27. 2017 Antenna production DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • 128 yagi after inserting and adjusting 1280 elements with 2560 platic rivets

  28. 2017 feed line production DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • Puzzle with copper wires

  29. 2017 dipole production DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • The dipole bending machine

  30. 2017 yagi mount DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • The first yagi mounted, only 127 to go

  31. 2017 dipole production DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • Details of the holder of the dipole • Details of solder joint

  32. 2018 feed line production DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • Al feed lines

  33. 2018 transformation lines DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • N times transformation 4y to one feed point • till 2 lines are left and then a balun 100:50 Ohms

  34. open feed line support DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference

  35. Preamp Box DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • The HF4000-2Z and DJ3FI preamp + hb 2nd stage • NF=0.35dB G=42dB

  36. 2018 April ready for test DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • The first SWR test I made in April on my birthday • SWR 1:1.3 without optimization. • Hurray Open feed lines are uncritical!

  37. SWR DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • SWR after optimization with some PTFE tubes

  38. Don ´ t fall asleep DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • Only a few more pages to go!!!

  39. Theory DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • The Theory of VK3UM software

  40. Pattern DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • Sun noise was >20dB on first test, after a few optimizations I got stable 21.8 +/-0,5 till today • Antenna pattern H and V at sun noise

  41. Used material • Concret 10tons • Big ball bearing 500Kg • 18m Horizontal boom 750kg • H Steel 120x120x12 x21.4m 440Kg • Steel square tubes 80x80x4 x31.3m 292kg • Steel square tubes 100x100x6 x25.6m 427kg • Alu 24 tubes 6m 60x5mm 348,5Kg • Alu 48 tubes 1,5m 48x3 (extension) 83Kg • Alu 128 booms a 3m 20x20x2 150,4Kg • Alu square tubes 20x20x1 18m 10Kg • Alu square tubes 18x18x1 124m 25Kg • Alu round pipe 6x1 223.6m 10kg • Alu 4mm rods abt. 384m 13,5Kg • Copper dipoles 6x1mm 128x0.7m 18 Kg • CuL wire 4mm abt. 224m 28Kg = 3.1 tons plus concrete • And much much more …..

  42. Results DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • Sun 21.8dB • Echoes • JT 100mW • CW abt. 200mW • Sagittarius 7.3dB • M17 6.1dB • Cygnus 5.4dB • Cassiopeia 5.3dB • Pointing accuracy El. <0.1 ° H <0.35 ° • With US digital encoder and F1EHN tracking

  43. Results DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • First Pulsar detected in July • B0329+54 was seen with only 200sec recording time ! • And the 8x9el. 3m FM DX are still on top and make much fun!!

  44. Lowest ERP DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • M0ABA 2el. & 60W (at -25)

  45. Thank You DL7APV 2018 Egmond EME conference • to my wife Astrid , and all who helped, special to Hartmut DG7YBN, DL7SI, DL7ON, DL7ZN, DL7AIG, Hubert DJ3FI and my nice neighbors

  46. For G3LTF dual use antenna!

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